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Roy Neuberger, author of
'From Central Park to Sinai'
August 9, 2001 Posted: 2:17 PM EDT (1817 GMT)
Roy Neuberger is the author of "From Central Park
to Sinai: How I found my Jewish Soul," a book about his journey to
find spirituality. A former Director of Conservation for the City of New
York, Neuberger has also worked in publishing, newspaper editing, hedge
funds, and yeshiva administration. CNN: What prompted you to write this
book?
ROY NEUBERGER: First of all, a sense of gratitude. I've
had a very fortunate life. At first, I felt lost in the world, and that's
a very frightening experience. So people are very grateful if they can
find a way of life that makes sense and enables them to navigate in this
world effectively. I feel very grateful for that, and want to express
that gratitude. I've had a lot of wonderful people who helped me along
the way. My parents gave me a certain sensitivity to moral issues. I also
met a great woman, Esther Jungreis of the Hineni Organization, who taught
us the Jewish way of life. And to my wonderful wife, who has a lot of
patience with me. Not only that, I feel maybe my story could be a signpost
to other people, Jew and non-Jew, who feel as if they're looking for some
way to find God.
CHAT PARTICIPANT: How do you define spirituality?
NEUBERGER: Spirituality is a very practical thing. Sometimes
we think spirituality is just a philosophical concept, but really, it's
a way of bringing the reality of God into life, so we can use the wisdom
of God as a guide for every decision we make in life. For sure, life is
filled with thousands of decisions a day, from the mundane -- what will
I have for lunch -- to the very complex: how do I raise my children, how
do I choose the right person as a husband or wife. Spirituality is a very
practical thing.
CNN: How important is spirituality in this day and age?
NEUBERGER: That's a good question. How important is spirituality?
Especially in this day and age, when we think we've become the masters
of the world, I'm talking about 21st century man. We've achieved the ultimate
in technology, we're on the Internet right now! But I think every thinking
person acknowledges that we're kind of also in a mess. Not just in general,
but so many people feel lost and empty, and they ask themselves, with
all my material gains, why do I feel like my life has no direction or
meaning? So, spirituality is essential, it's the most important thing
there is, to know that there's really a God out there, and He's running
the show, whether I know it or not, and He knows every thought and action
I perform. Everything I do is on videotape. When you have that perspective,
it changes your life.
CHAT PARTICIPANT: Is your spirituality defined by the
Torah, and if so, do you find other religions in violation of its terms?
NEUBERGER: First of all, I want you to know, hopefully,
with God's help, you'll never hear a put down of someone else from me.
It's not up to me to tell someone else how to live. And you should know
that the Jewish people care, and this is a Torah concept, about bringing
blessings to the entire world. We're all meant to get along together,
and make this a place where everyone can get along together. Certainly,
for Jewish people, the parameters of life are defined by the 613 commandments
of the Torah. Everyone, every man and woman, has free will. It's up to
us to decide if we'll follow those commandments, but they are there. I'll
give you a quick metaphorical explanation. If you come to a red light
in your car, you have a choice. You can stop, or go through it. It's your
free will. But if we do go through, there are consequences.
CHAT PARTICIPANT: What can organized religion do to be
more relevant to young adults?
NEUBERGER: These are great, great questions. Organized
religion has to get back to our roots, and we all have to understand that
everything comes from God, and we're all human beings. Every person in
the clergy has to understand that all of us, including clergy people,
have to make a self-investigation every day: are my actions in accordance
with what God wants for me? If we all do that, we'll find that our allegiance
is to God, and not to something that is false.
CHAT PARTICIPANT: Do the recent suicide bombings in Jerusalem
and the Middle East conflict play into your theory?
NEUBERGER: With all due respect I'm trying to state a
Torah point of view and not a theory, I'm trying to state accurately the
view of the Torah, which has guided the Jewish people since Mt. Sinai.
If I go off track, it's my fault, but the Torah is the Torah.
To answer the question, I just returned from Israel,
and what I saw over there is that the pressure we (the Jewish people)
are under now, is doing what pressure has always done to us. We've been
under pressure for 2000 years, ever since our temple was destroyed, and
whenever the pressure increases, we draw closer to each other, and closer
to the source of protection, our God, and that's happening now in Israel.
Jews all over the world are drawing closer together. I remember when I
was a kid we had a basketball coach that taught us a slogan: when the
going gets tough, the tough get going.
The Torah teaches that we are not allowed to rely on
miracles, so without stating military strategy, and I'm not in a position
to do that, we do however have a right to defend ourselves. I'll give
another metaphor. If you're in your house, and a robber comes into your
house, God forbid, and he's pointing a gun at you, you're going to defend
yourself. That's what's happening to us now, and we have to defend ourselves.
CNN: Why is there a movement of Jews turning back to
their heritage?
NEUBERGER: There is not only a movement of Jews turning
back to their heritage, but there's a movement of all people, goodhearted
people in the world, who are looking for a way to navigate this chaotic
world around us. They're not looking for new solutions, but looking to
the source of truth in the world. And most go to the same source; they
understand that the Bible is a source of strength. Every spiritual person
in the world, with few exceptions, understands that that is the source
of our strength. The more people that find they're up to here with material
things, and it's not producing satisfaction, the more they want to find
God. It's a worldwide phenomenon.
It says in the prophets that in the days before the Messiah,
children will bring the hearts of their parents back to God. In my family,
there's a perfect illustration, because my father, who is a Wall Street
legend, and he was not raised in a religious fashion. He has a son who
was not happy with material things, and I had to search for spiritual
things. Man does not live by bread alone. My father and I are the best
of friends, but I looked for a new and added dimension in life.
CHAT PARTICIPANT: What is your take on separation of
church and state and the secular movement's goal to keep the 10 Commandments
out of schools and other public places
NEUBERGER: Really, according to our Torah (and I know
this may seem a strange point of view in the 21st century) every aspect
of life is regulated by commandments. God has guidance for us on every
aspect of life. The ideal, according to the Jewish point of view, is that
civil, government, business relationships and interpersonal relations
all have guidance from the Bible. The fact is, if we'd listen to the Bible
more closely, I think we would have peace in the world, and peace between
us. After all, it says on the American dollar bill, "In God we trust."
Again, I'll state that I'm not telling people how to live. It's not my
job or my intention, but I simply want to explain what I have discovered
through my study of the Bible.
CNN: How did your upbringing affect the way you look
at spirituality?
NEUBERGER: It's very interesting. My mother passed away
a few years ago, and my parents are very different people: opposites attract.
My mother was a self-critical person, who was always pushing herself to
higher heights of service to the world; a wonderful, fine lady. That got
passed onto me. My father is not so introspective. He's a street-smart
person, and he always wanted to find the way he personally could contribute
to the world. When he discovered in the 1920's that he had no talent as
an artist, he decided to try to make money so he could support great artists.
I think that that rubbed off on me also. In other words, find out what
you're good at, and pursue it with a passion. I want you to know that
my father supported great artists like Jackson Pollack, and he didn't
make money through it, but because he could improve the world. My parents'
wonderful influence rubbed off on me, that introspective influence from
my mother, and that action point of view from my father. It's a good combination.
CNN: Do you have any final thoughts to share with us?
NEUBERGER: Yes. First of all, I want to thank you for
having me here. I'd also like to mention my book, if people are interested,
which tells the whole story about how this anti-religious guy became a
believer. It's called "From Central Park to Sinai: How I found my
Jewish Soul," and the publisher is Jonathan David, and my name is
Roy Neuberger. But this book is not just for Jews. I hope it's a book
that will appeal and speak for anyone who is truly anxious to discover
the way to navigate the waters of this chaotic world we live in.
CNN: Thank you for joining us.
NEUBERGER: Thank you so much.
Roy Neuberger joined the chat room via telephone from
New York and CNN.com provided a typist. The above is an edited transcript
of the interview on Thursday, August 09, 2001 at 12 p.m.
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